Todrick Hall isnt new to Louisville, but Louisville is probably still, in many ways, new to Todrick Hall. Hes a multifaceted performer who is hard to pin down and harder to resist. His Straight Outta Oz album and musical took his life story and placed it in the setting of The Wizard of Oz, offering audiences a tender and unique window into his world as a performer and as a gay man discovering himself in a religious and Southern setting. Hall spoke with LEO about coming to town (pretty often) and shared candid insight about what it means to be a performer and the perils of being in the spotlight and staying true to yourself. Hes also one of the lucky ones who scores Taylor Swift tickets without a wait. Hall is set to return to Louisville again on Saturday, Oct. 7, at Mercury Ballroom.
This interview has been edited for space and clarity.
LEO: When you come to Louisville, what do you look forward to?
Todrick Hall: I look forward to going to Play because I just love Play nightclub. I love the one in Nashville and I love the one in Louisville. I have a lot of friends that are resident performers. People dont realize how much Louisville embraces their LGBTQ+ community.
Talk to me a bit about creating Straight Outta Oz. It felt like a pivotal work.
I really try to listen to the criticisms that I get online. And even if theyre meant to be nasty, I try to take the gems out of the criticism. I got this comment from someone saying something to the effect of, I feel like we dont know who you are. Like, you just play a bunch of different characters, but we dont know anything about you, and it makes it difficult to be a fan of you as a human being versus a fan of your work. And I thought, Wow, thats an interesting point of view. I would meet people when they would know nothing about where I was from or things that have happened in my life, but I grew up doing theater for so long that I was like, I dont feel comfortable being vulnerable and expressing things to people about myself.
If someone doesnt like my artistry, thats one thing, but if they dont like who I am as a person, that hurts in a different way. I decided to tell my life story, but paralleled with the thing that I love so much. And it was such a last-minute thing, but I got so consumed in it and I devoted all my energy to writing that project. Im working on a secret project right now. My mom saw it and she was like, This is the only thing that youve ever done that can rival Straight Outta Oz for me. Because she just loved it so much. I think when artists are passionate about something, the way I was writing every single lyric and stanza of Straight Outta Oz, because it was my life story. It was so real to me. And I think even somebody who doesnt know me personally can tell. Its something strange about when you write something from a place of love and passion the artistry just hits different.
I love the song Papi, featuring Nicole Scherzinger. She grew up here.
I forgot about that. Shes told me that a few times, actually.
[insert my long-winded story about attending the class of 96 Manual H.S. prom with my sister]
That must been iconic to see. Honestly.
Tell me about your new project, Algorhythm.
Algorhythm was an album that I came out with last year. We dont really cover that music in this tour. This show is kind of more inspired by Taylor Swift and Beyonce, who are going on tours right now that kind of cover their entire discography, like some of their hits from every single era. I thought it was so genius that Taylor Swift named her tour The ERAS Tour and went through all of these different eras; like, lets just talk about hitting all the nostalgic moments in her life. I kind of modeled my tour after that.
I decided that I wanted to do something where I could do this show and everybody could get a fix from every single era of Todrick that they had fallen in love with. So there are songs from Straight Outta Oz, songs from Forbidden, songs from Femuline, songs from Algorhythm, songs from Roach Killaz just from different chapters of my life. The songs that have performed the best, were doing them. What I love about this show is it has a Wizard of Oz-esque element to it. We start in black and white and then we go through the entire rainbow with monochromatic scenes.
Theres a full red scene, a full orange, full yellow, et cetera, and in the end, we end with this big explosion of color with Nails, Hair, Hips, Heels, and one of my favorite songs from post-Straight Outta Oz era, which is Glitter. Its gonna be a really, really fun celebration. Its a big show full of pride, anthems, and theres music from every single chapter of my life in it.
Ive read that you and Taylor Swift have a close friendship. Do you find it hard to get Taylor Swift tickets like the general public?
No, I dont find it hard to get tickets. [laughs]
Serious question. I know youve heard about the Lizzo controversy with accusations of sexual harassment from her dancers, and have been through something very similar. It sometimes seems there is no route for a performer to make amends or to redeem themselves in the face of these types of accusations, whether true or not. What advice would you offer Lizzo or anyone in that position?
Oof. Thats a rough question. I want to think about what I have to say about that. Yeah. Because I dont think Im in a position to be giving Lizzo advice by any stretch of imagination. I will say that the more eyes you have on you, the more difficult it is.
We are just living in a very insane time where, thankfully, the pendulum is swung so that people who are victims get to have a voice. But, like almost anything in reality, there are three sides to every story. And I think its scary to be the person whos the artist, to be in a power position, to be the person who stands [to] lose things based on people that you work with who are in close proximity to you, who have the ability to be a narrator of a story and tell the story from their own lens. And, that lens almost always doesnt show the full scope of a story. So my heart goes out to anybody who is in that position, because Ive been in that position before where Ive read stories that seem almost unrecognizable to me. And while I want to always take accountability for my faults, cause Im human and Im gonna make a lot of mistakes. I think that there is this part of pop culture right now and cancel culture that enjoys devouring someone. They love building someone up to tear them down. A verified check next to your name doesnt make you any less human, doesnt make you any less prone to making mistakes. I dont like that mistakes today almost feel like they want the person who is in the power position to never work again, to never sing again, to never perform again. Its a very scary thing. And to be completely honest, Ive turned down multiple reality shows this year that were paying great money because I just... mentally, its just too much for me to take. And I dont want any more experiences like that to be my legacy. Ive learned a lot from it. And I am moving in a very different way than I was moving before. So I hope that anybody in that position learns from the parts of it that they need to learn from and try to do better. I hope, to be someone like Lizzo and the amount of work that shes had to do to get to where she is, I will never understand what that journey has been like for her. I hope that she continues to be able to or that anybody in that position would I hope that they would continue to be able to work, and just learn from the mistakes that theyve made but still have an opportunity to have a career.
In order for cancel culture to truly be effective, people have to be held accountable, but also have the opportunity for redemption. And I dont think that people should be bullied into saying... I think that you have to, in that position be a sound enough person to say, I dont care what everybody says. I know what my truth is and Im never going to go online and agree with something that I did not do, because youre struggling with, like, your real-life human, moral, and ethic compass. Its a scary thing for me to even respond to that question, because right now, anybody in my position is just accustomed to getting online and just saying the right thing that Twitter and whatever app is going to agree with.
Thanks for such a candid answer. Its a tough position to be in, and people all need ways to find redemption. Just to drive it home a bit, how important is it to be as honest and true to yourself as possible in your career?
It is very important, because every time someone puts a mic up to your face or writes something, its a part of your legacy thats going out online. You wanna make sure that youre being authentic to who you are, but its also scary, because in every interview, people want you to be vulnerable. But if youre too vulnerable... the things that I say to you today could be totally acceptable but in six months, six years from now, it could be completely problematic. Everything that you say can be used against you if its printed on the internet. Thats why a lot of celebrities are skeptical about doing press at all, because its like anything that you can say can be twisted, can be misrepresented, or it could just mean something completely different.
There was a time not too long ago where the word queer was like, almost like the f-a-g word. It was so offensive. And now it is the only terminology that can one of the only words that you can use to fully encompass the entire gay community or LGBTQ+ community. Its just interesting to see how that shift has happened. Now other words that were acceptable then are not acceptable now, and might be acceptable again. Its like fashion, you know? It changes like the wind, and its continuously changing at a rapid pace. Every day I find out about another word I cant say, and Im like, Oh my goodness, well, thats in my song. Do I change the lyrics? Even the nuance of like the ballroom community, there were certain words in my songs that I totally was like, This is okay to say those songs have millions of views. Do I not perform those songs anymore? Do I now change it? I dont want to offend this community even though Im a part of the gay community, and those were words that I had heard used all the time and in my everyday vocabulary. Its just a very difficult situation to navigate, and youre always trying to like toggle back and forth with like How much do I allow social media, and peoples feelings to affect my day-to-day life and my artistry? You have to tow that line and really work on that balance. Its difficult. I love that you talked to Billy Porter because hes one of my biggest mentors and inspirations. Hes wonderful, and he always has such great things to say. Him and RuPaul, anytime Ive ever spoken to them, they just say things that are so prolific and give me so much food for thought and fill my heart up with so much wisdom and knowledge and passion and drive. I always leave feeling like a better version of myself than I started when I sat down to talk to them.